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thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these truly extraordinary times. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> hi. thanks so much. welcome to "the beat." i'm ari melber. while june can be slow in june, there is a ritual recurring

every june. the final days of the supreme court term where you see the running of the reporters. maybe you have seen this scene before. the court of course takes its own time. the big and close cases often spark the most debates and rewrites. they tend to come in these last days of the term, typically late june where clerks and reporters and new reporters, assistants, interns come sprinting out of the court old-school with those key june rulings. in fact, it was late june 12 years ago the supreme court upheld oberweis in one of its last days in session.amacare in last days in session. people came out because you don't know which day the ruling happens and they filled the front area there, late june, a monumental case in one of the last days of the term. or maybe you remember where you were in the otherwise slow week

when the court made history. that's our msnbc coverage there. we were showing some of the same stuff you see in the other footage of at the time, oh, and i was out there, too, along with our team covering history in the making recognizing a new federal right. june 26, 2015. so what i'm telling you is every june no matter who is on the court and which cases are pending, court news in the month of june is usually about the court, about its cases, its rulings, the last big cases coming down and its work. but not this june. no. this june as you may have noticed, the big news about this court is the rolling set of scandals, news that's more really about a few justices' mistakes off the bench than the court's actual work. the news is about hidden gifts and maga partisanship and rancor and misleading statements about breaking the u.s. flag code. it's been a combination of high-stakes failure and

sometimes low-stakes pettiness. the justices thomas and alito as well as alito's wife a figure who is in these stories because he, justice alito, loudly blamed her for a flag incident even he wanted to run from. now you have these three figures front and center in june. alito's home as you may recall broke the u.s. flag code flying a flag upside down. and it was at the time of the insurrection. so it was using the same upside down flag that the seditionists used at the capital. blamed his wife, material misstatements that have been caught by fact-checkers, reporters, neighbors, and now his own wife. and the latest tension comes from the secret recordings that were made of the alitos and others and they build on the questions about corruption, bias, partisanship, the lavish gifts justice tom us has been

giving which pressure on justice roberts. as for recordings, from a progressive activist, as if she is a conservative. it's not a journalist or transparent approach but the answers are the verified responses of these individuals. so i have put this together. you may have heard about this. we put it together in a big collection, some of the tapes making news. >> i don't know that we can negotiate with the left in the way that needs to happen for the polarization to end. >> i think you're probably right. on one side or the other -- one side or the other is going to win. it's difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can't be compromised. >> you know what i want? i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. >> exactly. >> people in this country who

believe in god have got to team fighting for that, to return our country to place of godliness. >> i agree with you. i agree with you. >> those are some of the answers they suggest a bias, right below or at the surface. that's different than what judges are supposed to express. certainly different than how chief justice roberts handled questions from that same activist. >> i think the role for the court is deciding the cases. if i start -- would you want me to be in charge of guiding us toward a more moral path? that's for what people we elect. >> she joined joy reid last night discussing the tapes she made of the alitos. >> throughout this ort of rant there was a lot of, you know, it just -- aggression and, you know, against the media getting even. >> so the quotes peel back layers on the court they offer a different explanation for alito's rulings than his own claims to follow just historical meaning and not just push his own personal views.

now, i want to be clear. there are people who argue that judges are human beings and if you were to do enough taping, you could find other judges sharing their views, whatever they may be, and the test is how they rule, not what they think. but these tapes bring also a whole second problem for alito who is facing multiple scandals. the flags, they flew an upside down flag and they were waving this flag and hoisting it for days over their house at that time in january '21. doing that violates the u.s. flag code and the code section on respecting the flag. it mandates the flag should never be displayed upside down with the union down. alito knew this was bad. he didn't defend it as just his free speech or some sort of, you know, joke. ininstead, he claimed it was his wife's doing. he claimed that he asked her to take it down and she refused.

and he wrote down this defense to congress saying, i asked my wife to take it down for several days she refused and then he respected her rights, her choices. a line from the author the ruling ending roe v. wade and the rights and choices for other women, so it struck many him saying that he honors her right to make her own decisions, struck many as an, obviously, partisan provocation, like, no, you don't, you don't feel that way about other women. you haven't ruled that way. now in these same tapes justice alito's wife says something very different. she says she deferred to him seeming to complicate this story. >> and he is like, oh, please don't you put up a flag. i said, i won't do it because i am deferring to you. but when you are free of this nonsense, i'm putting it up and i'm gonna send them a message every day, maybe every week, i'll be changing the flags. i made a flag in my head. this is how i satisfy myself.

i made a flag. it's white and yellow and orange flames around it and in the middle is the verdict vegogna. it means shame in italian. >> miss alito can wave or talk about whatever flag she wants. she is saying here that she defers to him. and he says she doesn't. on the same flag issue. so an otherwise kind of bizarre maga partisan neighborhood spat is now raising other questions. especially since she was speaking to what she thought was a like-minded individual, seeming to speak freely and privately. in other words, there is no reason to think what's on tape there is somehow partisan grand conspiracy theory. it seems the more direct interpretation is she is saying what happened and he wasn't truthful. so the questions that are raised would be, was justice alito lying? did he coordinate or change his story after the fact with his wife? do they have one story for the public that's false and a true story in private?

if he was lying, did he intentionally write that lie in an official letter to congress? and intend to submit it as a false statement to congress? that would be a grave matter for any judge, and we should mention some rare cases false statements to congress are investigated, even prulted. i should say not typically with relationships between the judicial and legislative branch. another question, what does chief justice john roberts doing about any of this? the chief justice refused already the idea, proposal to meet with top senators about these substantive issues with alito. but it's clear this isn't going away. not for alito. not for the court. not for justice roberts. indeed, the news now tonight is the senate democrats are eying other ways to link supreme court funding with a mandate that the court adopt an enforceable ethics code and that approach

could provide a path for the senate to get the court to clean up its act without having to pass a whole new law. we were reporting last week about how senator durbin has a bill along those same lines, a mandated ethics process, but that would have to get through congress and defeat a filibuster and through the republican house. so this might be a different way. june is usually a time to be discussing the court rulgs, the running of the rulings, out in front. court. we are awaiting some big ones on insurrection convictions and how to put a former president on trial for stopping the peaceful transfer of power. and honestly, washington and news viewers, legal commentators, this sort of community of people who care about this stuff would normally be focused on the substance of that, but a small number of judges have repeatedly undercut the court's credibility on those pending cases. and alito angrily refusing to recuse on the january 6th case or the other one despite his

home's public solidarity with the insurrectionists sign and his apparent cover-up or misleading statement after the fact submitted by the way to the government, same for justice thomas, even though thinks wife engaged with stop the steal movement and lobbied for the outcomes and thomas has a separate scandal of his own habit of secretly pocketing millions of dollars in gifts, conduct that would get any member of congress in troubling. you can see there he is also taken in a lot more money than anybody else over the years. but this is apparently fine on john roberts' court. so here we are. people with tenure and unreviewable power whose only job is to exercise judgment and to take the great privilege of their lifetime employment and tenure and benefits and security and all of the things they get in those jobs and just be independent and use good

judgment. and they are proving they lack it when it comes to how then rn rich themselves with gifts that dwarf most people's salaries and flag fights and neighborhood disputes. and yes, i should note since we are trying to do the facts, part of the facts sheer start with a fairly silly baroque at times petty political fight in the alitos neighborhood. to paraphrase drake, the petty is real. very real. but so are the threats to our democracy. and we have a very serious person to deal with it. jelani cobb is here. we are back in 90 seconds. 0 sec.

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we thought of you. the cover-up seems to suggest a kind of arrogant misdirection about what happened. your thoughts? >> yeah, so, i mean, first, take a step back. as an historian would want, go through the basis of the lifetime appointments. back to the federalist papers and all the idea that you exempt them from spree precisely, of removing the pressures of being elected to the supreme court or a shorter appointment, you know, at least at that time people were thinking that you remove or exempt them from the kinds of pressures that could be corrupting, that they could be above the fray. that they don't have to think about what's going to happen if i make an unpopular decision, you know, will i be able to have a career after this or will i have other kinds of disastrous implications. so in theory, these are people who are able to kind of move in line with their conscience and

what their intellect drives them to understand about the law in legal cases, so on. we see important instances in which that independence is demonstrated. we talk about franklin roosevelt and his famous criticisms of the supreme court. some of those criticisms are directed at people whom he appointed to the court. felix frankfurter, famously, ruled time and time again against the very administration of the president that had appointed him. or the warren court, you know, for all the things that people say about the warren court, he was -- warren was appointed by a republican, by eisenhower. so we didn't have the kind of one-to-one ratio between a political party or the political party of the president who appoints someone and the way someone subsequently rules or the kinds of behaviors that you see now. now, what we have at this moment is the opposite of that. things have been turned upside down, where people are really

the real kind of crucial matter here is not do people have leanings, you know, conservative justices or liberal justices and so on, leanings are one thing. but to have ideologues, that is a whole other kind of problem. and so everything else flows from this kind of basic corruption of the idea that is articulated the federal list papers why we should have a court structured in this way in the first place. >> do you think there is some fix here? i mean, justice roberts got a low-key request. hey, let's meet. this is getting out of control. and he ducked it. it's the usual d.c. thing. oh, we are going to avoid politics. no. alito's politics are the problem. avoiding that and the discussion of that is allowing and empowering that, and now some of the democrats are looking for ways to push hard early. >> well, the interesting thing is that conversation about polarization because in some ways or in many ways the court

now reflects that. so it's not a question of can the court, what are the fixes. i think that it becomes a matter of addressing the bigger dynamics of polarization in the country. and so we saw justice alito, you know, saying that the court is created by the constitution, notgy congress. but members of the court have to be approved by the senate. they have to be appointed by a president. and so as we saw with the stifling of barack obama's, you know, constitutionally designated right to apoint someone to the supreme court under the alleged idea that argument that it was too close to an election, which the constitution says nothing about. we can't say these things are completely removed from the affairs of the legislative branch, governmental branches. that's not true. and so we have to, no order to address this issue with the

court, address the bigger dynamic of polarization that are in the entire system. >> right, which is why the court -- why does it feel it's getting worse? it's a product of that on-ramp. it can't be disinfected from that. >> it's a barometer. >> yes. you are sticking around. we have something special by the end of the hour. jelani cobb, more of him later on. we have the hunter biden verdict that came in today. we have a report on that with our friend prosecutor david kelly and rudy giuliani indicted again, arraigned again. this is a new mugshot. a breakdown why this matters for accountability heading into november. you're one of the mils of people with diabetes who suffer from low and high blood sugar, dexcom g7 is one of the easiest ways to take better control of your diabetes. my blood sugar would suddenly spike or really go low out of nowhere. it was really scary. (dr. swamy) this small wearable alerts you 20 minutes before you go too low or when you're high so you can take action in the moment.

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straightforward that hunter biden basically lied about his own drug use on the forms required to obtain a gun. the attorney general hired by, of course, hunter's father, merrick garland, had given extra independence to a doj special counsel to provide extra insulation for this days from any possible political pressure. that prosecutor spoke out on the verdict today. >> no one in this country is above the law. everyone must be accountable for their actions, even this defendant. however, hunter biden should be no more accountable than any other citizen convicted of this same conduct. >> a date for sentencing has not been set yet. federal guidelines for this kind of case suggest punishment could range from no jail and probation to up to two years behind bars. president biden responded today,

i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process and hunter considers an appeal. jill and i will always be there for hunter. and referring to those stated narcotics issues, president biden continued, i am the president, but i am also a dad, jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. so many families who had loved ones battle addiction understand the feeling of pride seeing someone you love come out the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery. we are joined now by david kelley, former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. full disclosure. my former boss. welcome. you look a case like this, like other other judgment calls, it may or may not have gone to trial, may or may not have had a different disposition earlier, they almost avoided trial with a plea. having gone to trial, the jury didn't find it that complicated. what do you see in the verdict?

>> it wasn't that complicated. i think what this case is about the important issue here is the exercise of prosecutorial disstreks to bring the case. typically charges like this wouldn't have been brought unless they were facilitated another crime which didn't occur here. that was reflected in the initial decision by the prosecutor not to bring this case. it was tough evidence to overcome. i thought there may be an opportunity for jury nullification he is probably guilty, but we are not going to convict this guy or a hung jury. there was some report from one the jurors after the trial that when they first went in to do to a poll, it was 6-6 for guilty/not guilty. there is not a lot of rocket science associated with the proof or i think his defense lawyer did a great -- his great defense lawyer and made the argument it was difficult to

prove that he was addicted at the time or under the influence or, you know, whether or not he believed that he was at the time. but, you know, those are good arguments to make and they might have had a shot. not surprising that they didn't. >> what do you see in this case which has got outsized attention for the now-convict hunter biden for the person, but what do you is see as well in sort of the concerns or questions people have about these various issues of drugs and guns? because on the one hand we have state and federal laws here because those are dangerous things. on to the other hand, both have been subject to concerns about differential treatment. >> so, first with regard to the first question, i think the prosecutors made a point of saying, arguing that these are really important because this is the buffer between, you know, a gun fence and, you know, an innocent citizen being hurt. i think that's, you know --

that's a little bit of an overstatement. if we are going to talk about gun control, we shouldn't be talking about just a form. but that's a policy issue -- >> i'll let you finish. you are making the observation they had a good argument that they were able to win over jurors by saying, hey, this is how we do gun safety. isn't that a good thing? >> yeah. that's the argument. i don't know how persuasive it is. but even putting it aside, i don't know that this is a case where you really have to focus so much on the issue about kind of the so what, you know, where because it's so black and white, i think, on the proof, you know, the law is you can't make a false statement. he made a false statement and, okay, these are the consequences. and he has to face those consequences. >> yeah. and the human side on the addiction, i mentioned the president emphasizes he says hunter has made progress, gotten few this. you were a cop and a prosecutor and -- go ahead. >> i do. i have said this before. look, it's a lot of people when

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plots that we have been reportinger reporting on now indicted in so many jurisdictions in which stretched over that critical period after the loss all the way up to the 6th. some of those plots you see on the arrows have been indicted and convicted in had various places. in arizona giuliani is one of 18 people indicted for efforts there. he is among the many trump legal vets we showed you who are facing all kinds of serious legal consequences. we updated this chart just today. that's just the 2020 campaign. you broaden out to trump's first campaign and his business and you see what we have shown you, the sprawling enterprise of convicted criminals. it's not so easy to convict one or two people in our justice system, let alone this many and many of these people had access to lawyers, some lawyers themselves, access to money, all convicted including now donald trump at the top. giuliani was with john eastman and donald trump at that rally stage, the dead enders. i showed you a bit from that. keep in mind when people say why is it taking so long?

all three men on that stage have now been indicted for election crimes, including their conduct that day. the losers of the election lied about the result with, remember, orwellian false claims that the other guys were the losing fraudsters. that trump's loss was actually a win, that the opponents secret criminality stole it from them. i want you to listen to the vow giuliani made that day before the insurrection broke out. >> i'm willing to stake my reputation that we're going to find criminality there. >> he did stake his reputation. the only criminality that has been found by independent courts and juries is by those people, including giuliani's co-conspirators, who tried to steal the election. that's our breakdown there. i told you i had something special coming up. jelani cobb is back here. i promise, we will gear up with

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winner for his film whose vote counts and we were, take a look, at a hip-hop 50 celebration at the vice president's residence. look at the chain. tell us about the chain. let's start there. what's going on with the chain? >> you know. you know. actually, i'll tell you. that was -- that chain was lent to me by one of my staff members at the journalism school. i was assembling my attire. she was, like, you know, my husband has, like, a rope that would actually set that off. >> so it was not that you set out to do like a big throwback. it organically came together? >> i was working on it. the only thing that didn't come together was the three-finger ring, which i couldn't procure on time. >> there are some rings on set now. >> rope chains. i lived through the first round of rope chains.

>> that's right. >> you are the vet. we got the shot right there. look at that. you are the vet. we will go to you first. we will get into everything. we might start more serious. what's on your fallback list? >> oh, you know, the measure to rename schools after the confederacy in virginia, which is doing a lot:i'd like to see that go away because it was supposed to be done the first time and it's as if we didn't realize, you know, that these were people who actually betrayed the constitution of the united states. and any attempt to airbrush that or to, you know, paint over their treason only emboldens the kind of democratic problems that we have right now. i mean democratic in terms of democracy, not, you know, any particular party. >> yeah, you mentioned this in the naacp, the civil rights perspective, if we go out more broadly, we had our elections in europe where many states swung to the right.

we reported ton that. and one thing you don't see in western europe is active celebratory monuments or school buildings honoring the losers of that, of those battles, right? it's a big difference that you see. and we can have -- and you know, you write for "the new yorker." a pretty fancy magazine. you can have a nuanced discussion how to deal with these things in easy education, right? here is what the nazis said about jews. where does that fit to our teaching. that's a separate nuanced conversation, right, than the statues that celebrate. why do you think that's such a hard thing in america, where as i mentioned, in germany, you don't see statues like that. >> because of distance. first off, let's recall historian tony jute made a good point about this. the remorse in germany was a product of the years long after the war. the immediate aftermath of the

war, you know, germans didn't think they had done anything wrong and it was the kind of imposition of the morality of the west after the war and had the years of occupation and so on before the reunification that made that happen. the united states had no such concerns. even in the immediate aftermath of the war, the lies began. like as soon as the guns stopped, the lies began in terms of trying to explain away and justify and to minimize the fact of slavery and to hide the fact that one portion of this country, 11 states, fought to their last man for the right to buy, sell, traffic, whip, abuse, and rape human beings. that's what that cause was. >> yeah, and i think you have to confront these things directly, right? and that's people say, oh, we want to look at a way of life. you described part of it that was being defended. we have lighter stuff. do you have anything you want to

weigh in before we move on? >> no, let's move on to something lighter. >> you want to go lighter? >> i am eager to go lighter, too. >> i say the news can be like real life. we move on because i heard you had a good fall back? >> yes, i do. i don't understand, you know, my fall back is why are people eating cicadas? why? you are waiting 17 years to eat something that, you know, i don't know, it's not my vibe, man. >> what bothers you about it? >> have you seen them? i love adventure. foodie adventure is a type of y grossness? >> just the way they look. like, why? we don't need to eat everything. >> yeah. >> look at this. terrible, man. >> i think you could argue that frying a cicada and serving it to someone is not fly.

>> no, it's really not. >> you see what i did there? >> go ahead. >> the thing is, it's the impulse, like 4-year-olds have. i have never seen this before. like 2-year-olds. i have never seen this before. let me put this in my mouth. sometimes it doesn't work out. whenio spend a lot of energy saying don't put that in your mouth. >> can i take the other side? this is in court they call it arguendo. i have never tried a cicada. but what about the idea that when they come through, they're here. they're all over the place. people are hungry. right? and you have got a creative way to try, this isn't an every week kind of thing. seasonally, when you get one of these, you're going to try to make lemonade. it's like you're making insect lemonade. what's wrong with that? >> okay. do you know like one amazing thing we never think about.

this is a city that is full of parks. and it's summer. it's like wonderful. you go and walk through the park. you will see ducks in many places in the city. ducks are edible. but no one in new york is chasing ducks down saying i'm going to take this home and roast it because we recognize this thing should just be left -- >> i think hunting ducks in central park, i'm sure it's against an ordinance, but it's not cool. >> it's not cool. >> let me ask you this, you think they're serving cicada in the south side of chicago? >> i don't know. >> i'm going to say no. >> the reporter in me would say we have to go look into it. all right, i love it. do you think we have exhausted the topic? >> there is one other thing. >> please. >> which is the parents who are going to job interviews for gen z. it's doing a lot. the study comes out that roughly a third of young people have said they have had a parent participate in some part of a

job interview process. you know, and so it's the helicopter parenting, hand holding thing taken to the furthest extreme. i could tell you stories. i have been a professer for a really long time. parents trying to attend class with their kids. >> are you serious? >> oh, yeah. absolutely. parents who have strongly suspect, you know, written papers for their kids. all of these kinds of things. i think the solution is like when a parent shows up in the job interview, when the parent is on the zoom or the zoom interview, whatever, you hire the parent. that's what you do. >> it's interesting. i think all the generational stuff is overdone. we have talked about this in music. you can't judge anyone by just a birth year. you're leading a school that's got all kinds of issues now and there are a lot of young people with great ideas. there's also stuff where you have to say okay, welcome to the real world. as you say, if you're not going to have your parents to back you up, you have to learn how the real world really runs.

i would think most employers would have to have rules. this is not a bring a friend to work day. bring a parent to work day maybe after you get a job once a year. i mentioned how special it is we're doing this today. we showed some of what you have done. tell us about what we're about to put on the table. >> my gosh, it's my first foray into spirit making. this is martingale cognac, it's fantastic. the same way you have your lighters. >> we do. we'll move them. >> but no, it's fantastic cognac and i'm super excited to be part of this. >> you can pour it. we do have "beat" glasses. while he pours, i'll say, you know a lot of things, can we were at that hip-hop event today. do you know why, this is a real question, i don't know why, why is cognac in so many lyrics? i don't know why. >> don't know why either. that's a good question. >> as this particular spirit.

>> i think it's thought of the spirit with the air of sophistication about it. what you're drinking when you have graduated -- >> we have 30 seconds. what do you want to tell us? >> cognac was my first spirit i tried when i was back then, it was 18 years old to start drinking. i was once a brand ambassador. now i'm an owner. >> now you're an owner. i'm going to say, shout out to equity. >> shout out to equity. >> we do special stuff for special guests. that's a tuesday. we'll be right back. k.

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welcome back. i mentioned we try to balance things, the dark and light. the serious and the goofy. and that's part of the human condition. or our inner child. we were discussing that with ron howard, and i want to mention that was for our summit series. here are some highlights. >> being judgmental to me just means i have standards. >> let's go through it. they scream brace for impact.

>> this is a real dr. jane goodall barbie. >> a barbie doll that thecourages girls to think i can do that. >> reaching the summit means? >> trying harder every day. >> peace and fulfillment. >> i feel like i'm in the foothills. >> you have do something positive with the power the summit has given you. >> that i haven't got there yet, i hope. >> truly love some of those answers. we have learned from all these individuals, and because these are longer form long term conversations we do leave them up for you. go to msnbc.com/summit. that's msnbc.com/summit. see jane, fran, tom hanks, and as i mentioned our newest one, ron howard, on the jim henson muppets experience. that does it for us. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> i hope that hunter is clean. and i hope that his sobriety is going well.

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